Comments on: Half a Baby Step

by: Ray Ozzie Got the Memo

Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:19:33 +0000

[...] On March 7, in his talk at the O’Reilly Emerging Technology Conference, Ray Ozzie, CTO Microsoft, demonstrated (short screencasts, live demo page) a method by which users can cut/copy/paste structured content between web applications and between web applications and Windows ones. Alert lesscode readers will notice that Ray’s blog post describing his inspiration and motivation for the idea bears a striking resemblance to my own post from last October. A deeper look at the screencasts, the live demo and the technical introduction remove any doubt that what Ray demonstrated, and in fact what Microsoft is offering under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike license (you heard me right) is in fact the Web Application Clipboard as described in that original lesscode post and followup. This is in no way meant to diminish the Microsoft folks’ brilliant implementation. The portable trick used to actually hook the browser’s built-in cut/copy/paste functionality is inspired. The design tradeoff resulting in a visible representation (scissors icon) of every clipboard-capable element is all their own, and quite frankly, is probably a necessary tradeoff if the Web Application Clipboard is to actually get traction. There’s a more technical analysis posted posted on my personal personal blog, but the executive summary is:Live Clipboard (Microsoft’s name for Web Application Clipboard) is awesome and I believe sites will adopt it. I wish the name weren’t “infected” with the Windows Live brand but that won’t matter a whole lot so long as the specification is good and open. Right now though I can’t find any specification at all but I’m keeping hope alive on that front anyway (you listening Gandi? MLK?)What I find more interesting than that technical stuff though is the amount of mindshare this thing got “all of a sudden”. First off, note that Ray’s March 7 blog post on this subject comprises the only thing he’s blogged since the end of January. A whole month of the Microsoft CTO’s time — how many dog-years is that? Now realize that the good guys over at the Gillmor Gang podcast spent a full 48 minutes on this single topic on March 16 (Ozzie Gang I, Ozzie Gang II), most of which was spent interviewing Ray Ozzie himself. They were downright effusive. From Ozzie Gang II:Mike Arrington 4:45“Does this signify any sort of shift organization where people in microsoft who have ideas that can help the Web … that they can also get things through the politics and through the system fast enough so it doesn’t take and years?”John Udell 17:52“Ray this is great. I just personally want to thank you for doing it. I think it’s a tremendous step.”Steve Gillmor 17:57“Yeah, and I think that everybody is knocked out that somebody with your intuition is in such a powerful position at Microsoft. You know, bringing Microsoft into the community has been very difficult to do and you seem to be doing it.”Dan Farber 18:31“I think as everybody on this call has said, we’re quite impressed with this very simple little notion that seems to be well executed and that it comes from Microsoft now really injecting itself into the big old Web community. It’s cool!”Dan Farber 19:13“If you go to the desktop and you consider cut and paste, copy and paste, you know it’s everywhere… to be able to do that on the web… it’s like a big gift — it’s a contribution to the Web”Mike Arrington 22:18“I think the big story here is that we’re starting to see with Ray’s leadership that Microsoft is able to do things that seem selfless and simply good for their own sake and SSE is one example and (Live Clipboard) is another stunning example…”Steve Gillmor 24:05“I think that Microsoft may well be on the threshold, whether they fully realize it or not at all levels of the organization, of winning by accepting a part in the community, and I think that’s a huge story.”Strange and wonderful times indeed. [...]

by: Raymond Yee

Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:43:49 +0000

I'm one of those folks (mentioned by Dan in the previous post) who are interested in moving datab between the Firefox browser and the OS clipboard. I've made some progress which I'll document on my blog. Basically, I have Win32 specific code that will copy HTML from the clipboard and send it to my blogs. I've been looking for cross-platform approaches for moving data between the browser and the OS clipboard, preferably in Python. My experiments with wxPython (wx.Clipboard) have failed so far. I did manage to write some Java/Jython code that seems to work...again, I post on my blog.

At any rate, I hope that we can work together to make universal copy and paste (between OS platforms, between web apps and desktop apps) a reality.

by: dchud

Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:00:08 +0000

You're selling the model short to consider the original proposal overbold... it was dead on!

Fwiw the coins sidebar thingy is now just an HTML sidebar injected via GM, not an extension, and there are working demos of COinS-PMH for Flickr, Amazon, arxiv.org, wordpress, and some American Memory collections from the U.S. Library of Congress referenced from here.

You're also right that now it's time to put this data somewhere interesting. Some folks were discussing connecting from ffx to the OS clipboard in #code4lib today, though I'm not sure how far they got.

-Dan

by: inkdroid » a citation microformat - when worlds collide

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:15:04 +0000

[...] Tim White has taken the time to prod the microformats list about the citation microformat that’s been floating around for a few months. It’s really encouraging that a developer at Gale is thinking of using a citation microformat. While I also work in the industry I’ve been coming at the citation microformat from a slightly different angle. For the past few months I’ve been monitoring activity in microformat land and also in another group and I’ve been watching them slowly come together. Recently, Bill Burcham’s Baby Steps to Synergistic Web Apps and Half a Baby Step confirmed my hunch that the two communities were converging. [...]

by: Paul Boddie

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:48:32 +0000

I’ve been playing with (and packaging for Ubuntu) my brother’s kpartplugins package [1] and have an elementary hCalendar plug-in for Konqueror which scans the current page for events and brings up a list of them for export to a .ics file. All that’s necessary now is to get the PyKDE dependencies sorted out [2] for easy installation and possibly find out why it’s so easy to crash KOrganizer with a seemingly correct .ics file. Sending events directly to KOrganizer would be nice if only it had a decent DCOP interface…

[1] http://www.boddie.org.uk/david/Projects/Python/KDE/index.html
[2] http://packages.ubuntu.com/